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The collective farm that produced SpaceX is the United States Government. It carried out all the research and development necessary to create and further the North American space program. And it is existential in furthering it to this day. Without this source of contracts, research projects and income SpaceX would not be able to produce its commercial spin-off products.


If it weren't for the Wright Brothers, NASA would never have existed.


Maybe so but I am not arguing with that. The original claim is much weaker: No "collective" produces innovation.


You obviously never been to a collective farm.

Despite government support to the extent much larger than that for SpaceX collective farms have nothing to show for it.


Maybe because they are farms and not rocket makers


That's not an excuse. In socialist Czechoslovakia, a coop farm produced computers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JZD_Slu%C5%A1ovice#TNS_Compute...


It looks like this system was created out of necessity; there was no viable product for what they needed. Necessity is the mother of innovation after all, and we find this sorts of innovation frequently in non-collectivized entrepreneurships as well. Still, very cool!


Why they are farms and not rocket makers? Because collective.


But there are very successful rocketry collectives! They just typically aren't called "farms".

Things like Friends of Amateur Rocketry have all the characteristics of a collective (including legal status) https://friendsofamateurrocketry.org/

The constraining factor is typically budget (as mentioned up-thread).


By this logic capitalism is the thing holding back capitalist farms from being rocket makers too? Or do you only apply it when you get to use the word "collective"?


Of course it is the logic of collective. In capitalism you decide how you'd want to spend your resources, on a farm or on a rocket. In collective it is collective who decides.


Capitalist farms - why are they farms and not rocket makers? Is capitalism holding them back?


In capitalism it is your choice how to spend your resources - on the farm or on a rocket shop.




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