FSD is terrible. I have it, it's dangerous. If I had to go 5 miles through city streets I'd sooner trust a human after 3 shots of tequila before I'd trust FSD every time.
Disagree. I've had the beta for a year and drive in NYC. It has been mostly flawless considering all scenarios it has to handle. It does make the occasional mistake but (1) it's a beta and (2) I'm responsible for monitoring and correcting it. Agree that those that expected more should be entitled to a refund if they so desire.
Ok but don't you have to weigh that against the potential of avoiding accidents by reacting quicker then you as a human can?
I have defiantly seen cases where FSD Beta stopped and the driver didn't understand instantly understand why.
Or simpler cases where the car follows a lane while the driver wasn't paying attention (adjusting the radio or whatever). Those can easily lead to an accident but are unlikely to if you are in FSD.
All the available scientific evidence suggests these systems diminish driver focus and attention which definitely makes them less safe since these systems can't be operated safely without an attentive driver.
I have seen some evidence bases on some limited lane keeping systems that suggest this. But not on systems that are as advanced as FSD Beta for inner-city with the same amount of forcing the drives attention systems.
Consider the possibility that you might both be right. Two people may have vastly different experiences with FSD, depending on the routes they take and other variables.
That other drivers are beta testers for software controlling a large mass of metal and combustibles hurtling down asphalt at _ludicrous_ speeds is something you'd write into a dystopia story.
"This study investigated the driving characteristics of drivers when the system changes from autonomous driving to manual driving in the case of low driver alertness.
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In the results, a significant difference was observed in the reaction time and the brake pedal force for brake pedal operation in the low alertness state, compared to the normal alertness state of the driver, and there were instances when the driver was unable to perform an adequate avoidance operation."
Not sure if it's the latest, and nowadays I rarely use it, and when I do it's just to show off to curious friends, but I live in an east coast metro and I've never been able to use FSD for more than 20 minutes without it making a dangerous mistake - 90% of the time it's been a mistake making a left turn, turning into the wrong lane or oncoming traffic after making the left, not correctly respecting the traffic lines or the left turn lights and other very scary situations.
So it’s good enough that you let it control and become less attentive?
I was thinking that you feel in what kind of conditions it behave correctly (highway), low traffic and then use it in progressively more difficult situations as it prove to you it can handle them consistently.
I know it’s not ready yet. I heard as saw so many positive reviews (but still with corner cases and strange behaviours)
I've not had any FSD issues on the highway besides phantom braking, it keeps lanes correctly, safely adjusts to traffic speeds and it merges into offramp lane without issue (though it still makes me nervous), once it gets into city streets though...
