Please don't take HN threads further into generic ideological flamewar. That leads to total repetition, because these arguments endlessly and shallowly recycle on the internet, and usually turn nasty—as if the mind needs something to amuse itself in the absence of new information.

Grand philosophical and ideological questions may be interesting topics, but not in internet forums. This is a medium-is-the-message thing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html