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It seems that they've pivoted to a Venmo-like model. Here in the UK, we don't have single app that has the wide network like Venmo does in the US (there are plenty of apps, just with small networks.) Myself and my friends have found Circle to be a good option. I'd encourage other folks to give it a try.


What are the advantages of using Circle or other apps over just transferring money? UK bank transfers are free and instant, I can't see what an app could add to that?


Circle's interface is much easier to use than the banking apps and websites I've used. You don't need to enter the sortcode/account number, like you typically need to with the banks. And the fact that it's so easy and fast means that people typically pay each other instantly (at the bar, restaurant, cinema, whatever) rather than waiting and potentially forgetting. I like it because you don't need to remind people, or be reminded yourself.


Granted this a rather provincial point of view, but Circle and Coinbase are the only two companies I'm aware of allowing residents of the state of New York to convert bitcoins to cash and vice-versa. This is because the state of New York instituted a virtual currency license called BitLicense[1] that treats commercial bitcoin transactions as "money transmission"[2].

Ripple was also issued a Bitlicense[3] recently, but their virtual currency is not bitcoin. Haven't seen word on Coinbase's Bitlicense approval, but they applied last year sometime and are expected (or perhaps already have received) their license.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BitLicense

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Money_transmitter

[3] http://www.coindesk.com/new-york-bitlicense-ripple/#


In the US at least, the info needed to transfer money to an account is the exact same info needed to silently transfer money from an account.

All of it.

At once.


Well, that's bloody stupid. How does that work?

(The UK system of account number/sort code does allow you to set up malicious direct debits against other people's accounts e.g. http://hoaxes.org/weblog/permalink/clarksons_account_gets_ha... - BUT the direct debit guarantee system is supposed to make them all reversible, and you can't DD to arbitary accounts, you have to be a verified merchant.)


All you need is a routing number and an account number to initiate a transfer of funds in either direction. PayPal and others use this as verification of account ownership by initiating a small deposit and withdrawal, prompting you for the amount.

No secrets involved.


Your credit card number is both your public key and your private key!

http://www.icanbarelydraw.com/comic/2702


That's a credit card number, whereas I was asking about bank transfers? And credit card transfers are supposed to be reversible in the event of fraud.


  > the info needed to transfer money to an account is the exact
  > same info needed to silently transfer money from an account
If I wanted to transfer money to an account, would I need the username/password/credentials for that account?

If I wanted to transfer money from an account, would I need the username/password/credentials for that account?


No, just the account number and routing code. It's how you associate an account with PayPal as well.

Fun bonus, both of those numbers are printed clearly on every check you write, too.


In the US, it seems the answer is no and no.


Online, yes. In person at a branch, no.


I found it really surprising hearing similar anecdotal stories about banking in the US.

But how does it really work? Is it done on a requester side - i.e. I can request money to my bank account having details of someone's else bank account wholly without their permissions? How could such lax security be allowed in modern age? When paranoid EU banks decline my transactions to my own accounts with other banks, confirmed by 2-factor auth, it's impossible to fathom how one can electronically take money from someone else's account.


You need the account number and the routing number. Both are printed in plain text on your personal checks.

In theory they should also be verifying your signature but I have never actually seen that happen.

I suspect if someone in another state cleaned out your account it might trigger some fraud alert, but nothing is really stopping it.


What does one actually do with the account number and routing number? The UK system has account number and sort code but does not seem to have an epidemic of this problem, because you can only use those for direct debits.


You walk up to the bank, fill out a withdrawal slip (http://www.handsonbanking.org/financial-education/wp-content...), and hand it to the teller.

Or sign up for a PayPal account and fill in both of those numbers, and transfer money from your account to your PayPal balance.


Aaaaaand the two bits of info necessary are on every check you write and hand off to complete strangers. Hell of a system.


The idea is you just need the person's phone number/email to send money as opposed to bank info.


Phone number is sufficient in the UK for banks as well.




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