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Heat it with oil and it will kill the canary at a lower temperature than teflon.

Ergo oil is toxic.

You are using bad logic and bad science.



Where are you getting that info?


From the FDA. Before they approved teflon for use in cookware they tested it vs oil.

Oil was found to be toxic at a lower temperature than teflon, making teflon safer than oil for high heat cooking.

Obviously when I say "oil is toxic" I'm being sarcastic.


Not that I'm doubting you, but can I have the source for your claim? I want to present it to my chemophobic friends.


http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0002889738506828

Exposure of Japanese Quail and Parakeets to the Pyrolysis Products of Fry Pans Coated with Teflon® and Common Cooking Oils

Lethal temperature:

butter: 260°C/500°F

Teflon: 330°C/626°F

plastic handle: 370°C/698°F


Fascinating. Luckily butter almost never gets to those temperatures. We're obviously different animals, and it seems that birds can eat butter, so I wonder what it is about oils specifically that kills them. Likely the mechanism will be different from PTFE and PFOA and maybe incompatible with humans who also suffer from large-scale inhalation (see article). We don't know much about long term PTFE/PFOA inhalation in small quantities.

So it seems to be that cast iron itself, heated, doesn't cause the bird to die. Cast iron + butter kills the bird, but so does teflon + butter. So in butter-less dry pan to dry pan scenarios, cast iron is non-toxic yet teflon is toxic.

As you can see here [1] if you leave your pan on the stove heated it can hit these toxic temperatures within minutes. So the exposure to the gas isn't hypothetical. Dry pan toxicity is a real concern which is unique to Teflon.

Then there's digesting it since it will slowly wear off into your food. We don't have science specifically looking at long-term slow exposure to PTFE/PFOA. So you're taking your chances... but we do know that PFOA is much less inert than PFTE when digested.

Non-stick pans won't last as long as cast iron or stainless steel, and cast iron can perform like non-stick while also adding flavor and necessary iron. Oh and cast iron can be often as cheap or cheaper than non-stick (except for the super crazy low end, but talk about most likely to be toxic...), and most certainly is cheaper in the long run (I'll have my great-grandmother's pan for the rest of my life which I do 90% of my cooking in... try that with your teflon).

So if you don't need non-stick pans, so why voluntarily expose yourself to the risk?

[1] http://buffalobirdnerd.com/clients/8963/documents/Teflon.pdf


> so I wonder what it is about oils specifically that kills them

I think it's just the smoke, nothing special about oil or teflon. I wonder if smokers have a problem with bird health?

Cast iron has oil on it when seasoned. I suspect the study used "clean" cast iron.




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